Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. 2. I have attempted plenty of times to contact people like Priscilla Shirer. God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. (Im also about 90% Reformed if you didnt get a chance to look at my statement of faith page.). Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. 2 John 1:1-11. She begins most lessons with a story or personal experience, uses these stories to formulate her own spiritual principles, and then adds in a smattering of Bible verses (often out of context) to support her ideas. Neil knows much more about New Testament studies than I do, but I'm not sure how far forward we can go with the New Testament, given that most of its writers believed their world was about to pass away. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. Mark 7:31-37 read more, Scripture: Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) (And if you need any help getting started, Ive got some resources that will help you under the Bible Studies tab at the top of this page.) Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. 4. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. BEYOND ENCOURAGEMENT Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. THE CALL? Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. Moving Beyond the Motions These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) We have just joined a new church and I was completely disheartened to find they were about to start two womens Bible studies both by Priscilla Shirer. Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? How is this different?. Michelle, what do you think about this article? He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. Any more credible sources out there? One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. Far too often we just "go through the motions" in life but Jesus wants much more than this for our lives. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season. Morning Service 15 Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. Matthew 6:9-13. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. Youve come to the correct conclusion about Priscillas teaching, and the Holy Spirit does direct genuine believers away from false teaching (John 10:5), but I want all of my readers who happen across this comment to please make sure (as Im sure Lynette did) you ALWAYS base your beliefs on what Scripture says, not on feelings and impressions. (Oh my goodness~ thank you for using the term hermeneutics, eisegesis and exegesis! Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. She has no control over who reads her blogs. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). Or and be .. I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Have been vetting her this was very helpful! :0), She also hangs out with Beth Moore. Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. We are committed to teaching the uncompromising truths of His Word. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. Do you have any other examples? Its a complete waste of time. August 11, 2002 AM 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his Tools. #1- Thank you so much for letting me know that link was broken. A NIGHTMARE ON DESERT STREET! And if I perish, I perish. 15 Outstanding Quotes To Recharge Your Preaching. It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. 1 INTRODUCTION: None. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. We're called to not live by our feelings but by faith ( 2 Cor. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. Olga Souders As I mentioned in my comment, I was here with my wife, completely of my own volition, in no way did Michelle do anything unbiblical. As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. Thanks so much for your comment. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). I would check with BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, and LighthouseTrails.com. Holy cow! Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. Michelle Thank you for your work in the area of discernment. Also, there are some great resources here. It was an immediate NO after I listened to less than 1 minute of her reference about Oprah. What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He taught them: Pray then like this: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. If you are also then do we not have the same Holy Spirit to counsel and teach us? These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) She goes beyond what is written in teaching men, in partnering with false teachers, in teaching unbiblical prayer practices, and in using improper hermeneutics. i listen to Dr. Tony Evans and i love to hear him preach, he is a good pastor and knows the word of God, so i do not understand why all this negativity about his daughter, i agree with the bible about women being pastors, and she is not a pastor according to how much i know about her( i only know about her from war room). To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. read more, Scripture: Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. What we believe about that is irrelevant. No-one is beyond compassion. (This is where the video above ends. On October 16, 2016, Priscilla and her husband, children, and mother were in attendance at T.D. We are to base everything we think, do, and believe on Scripture. After the service, people went by the preacher, tired and exhausted. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! It is teachers like Priscilla who want us to base our beliefs on our feelings and experiences, and that is not biblical. However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. Jesus starts with a biblical truth and uses a story (parable) to illustrate or give an example of that biblical truth. Can you explain ? Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. How does God regard false teachers, and how are we to deal with them in our personal lives and families, and as the church? Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. Defining moments, we all have them. Theres more than one link in the article providing video evidence of this. I can tell that just from your comment. She has been doing so for years. If you could give me some rightly handled, in context, chapter and verse Scripture to back up your opinions and beliefs, we could talk about it. They start, not with a biblical truth but with a story or life experience, and then they build doctrine and beliefs out of that experience. Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. read more, Scripture: She does. read more, Scripture: Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. Pray With Us Jan 12, 2023 Hi Friends! Romans 4:18. Where does the Bible teach this? I totally disagree with you on this. (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). rather than on the Bible. Some would call that circular reasoning. Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. They point you to your own experiences and opinions, not to Scripture, as your authority for what you think, believe, and do. The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). Your objection is most likely answered here. read more, Scripture: Do you send women to your articles as a response?. Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? Although that interpretation of the text is a possibility, being consistent with the rest of Scripture, it is by no means certain. I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. 1. When a choice you make or an incident happens that will from that moment define some aspect of your life! This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. Are they guiding and leading a flock ( a church )? And how their lives could be changed, too. No-one is beyond reach. The third, Chris Rosebrough, is Lutheran (AALC), and much of his theology is in line with Reformed theology. The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. Indeed, we were the first to reach you with the gospel of Christ. Priscilla often uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. 2. Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. Scripture: Philippians 3:12-16 John Huffman Introduction I don't know if you are like me, but I imagine you are. GOING BEYOND THE DUTY CALL AND WHAT IS EXPECTED! Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. Id also like to recommend my article thats linked at the very top of this page: Answering the Opposition. I dont want my readers to believe something just on my (or anyone elses) say so. Hillsong and Steven Furticks Elevation Church are two huge red flags on her itinerary. Go beyond putting ourselves first. And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. One thats not a promotional tape? Now to Him who, in exercise of His power that is at work within us, is able to do infinitely beyond all our highest prayers or thoughts-- World English Bible Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, Young's Literal Translation - Jonah didnt smell good. Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. Armor of God Workbook with Video Access But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. 1. No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! It will be called the good shepherd calls. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO AN ANONYMOUS CHRISTIAN WOMAN WHO APPEARS TO OPEN HER HOME TO BELIEVERS FOR WORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP. Grr! So, to "not go beyond what is written" means to focus on Jesus and His Word above all else. For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. 2 Kings 5:1-15. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). Can you please provide a list of female speakers/writers whom you do recommend? No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). Sermon by Rick Crandall There's more to my answer than you might think. Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. Priscilla Shirer is not as well known, which is probably why they havent gotten to her yet. John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. I couldnt find these terms in my Bible! Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE They are busy caring for their churches. I am curious about this comment, I realize this post is old so I dont know if it will be read however, based on the above article and your statements in your article referenced at the top this man who is talking about reading from your blog and learning from you is sinning by being under your teaching. on her, one of them probably will. All of these people are proponents of the false and anti-biblical Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) doctrine, and the Jakeses are also modalists. What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. Just got home form a conference defending the faith. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. on that if youre interested. read more, Scripture: And the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of Believers, the church. Let's find out as we begin this study in discernment, Choose What Is Right. Now, reading your post, I see that your words against her work and I do not understand why believers behave the way they do against fellow believers. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts Do you think the stretching feels good? Who then do you believe has not sinned and is qualified to teach Gods Word? Could you please show me the Bible verse that says were supposed to be happy for people who achieve financial and popularity success by twisting Gods word, teaching false doctrine, and walking in disobedience to Him? The sweet missionary who taught us wide-eyed teenagers has since passed into Heaven. (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? She admits it. and Serita Jakes (see below). All of the resources and links Ive included are from credible sources (The disclaimer at the top of the list simply means I have not read everything ever written by every single resource Ive listed. (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. Isaiah 58:12. Elizabeth. I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. Im pretty sure some of our ladies are going to ask me where the evidence is that she was purposely teaching scripture to men. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? Mark 10:46-53, Denomination: I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. Are you into apologetics or something? This article really turned me off on her. CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. This is not a Church. Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ. It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. If false teachers and their followers would simply repent and believe and obey Scripture, there would be no more division in the Body. Because you seem to be arguing against the biblical truth youve already read and have rejected reading any of the further biblical teaching Ive referred you to. Did you feel any kind of fear? If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. Beth and Priscilla both teach a false Jesus and a false gospel. In keeping with the spirit of Titus 3:10-11, this is your second warning (the first is in the Welcome tab, which youve obviously already read) I will not engage in debate about biblical truth and I will not publish comments or respond to e-mails/messages attempting to engage me in debate. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? Often, when readers express their disagreement, they do so in a very vicious and attacking way, so I really appreciate it when someone politely expresses herself. 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