And we certainly wouldnt be upset if Shimano could quieten down the clacking noise. quieter(+) smaller(+) lighter(+) more power(-) battery range(=). Just kidding! As it stands, you have to use the small button at the base of the display to manually scroll through additional pages just to see your cadence, estimated range and the time. Are we ignoring the fact that motor has been recalled/reworked by Shimano, and pushing all new bike deliveries by two months (at least)? Save 30% + G-Form Pro X3 Knee Pads when you subscribe to MBUK magazine. Its mostly apparent when freewheeling down really rough trails, but weve been able to detect it when the motor is engaging and disengaging around the 25km/h cutoff on the road, and while cruising over washboard bumps on mundane fireroads. If you have a problem you can reapair it very quick. So this one article, about this one e-bike, says to you that ALL e-bikes lack refinement and therefore aren't worthy of you gracing them with your holy ass? And you can take the motor together with a battery out in matter of seconds. Sometimes that means a DIY fix and other times it can mean a recall, software update or part replacement by a dealer. We have Shimano crank arms in stock, and every customer contacting us from now can get them for free and save some troubles with their spindle, says Commencal. Shimano advises that only approved crank arms should be used with its DU-EP8 drive units, reads Shimanos statement. Certainly of all the full-power motors weve tested, Shimano EP8 affords the most seamless feel as the power fades in and out around the assistance cutoff. Shimano also claims this issue is. If possible, repeat this ride on the Eco and Boost modes too. I think we lost grit when we all got smart phones. While the motor is both more sensitive and more powerful though, Shimano has done brilliantly to offer usable control of that power. Where the EP8 motorisnt quieter than its predecessor however, is when youre not pedalling. The existing Shimano E8000 motor is arguably the most popular motor in mountain e-bikes. I had the same issue with my Yamaha but it was last winter. I have no personal experience riding with pedal assist but when I hear the high whiz from the motor I think that would drive me mad too. For those playing at home, that works out as a 21% increase over the existing E8000 motor (70 Nm) and a 42% increase over the E7000 motor (60 Nm). Wait, 23-27kms? With the new EP8, Shimano managed to close the gap to its biggest competitors. I have never posted a comment here on pinkbike, however this article in particular is hitting a nerve. Seeing if anyone else out there has had problems with their EP8. Additionally, Shimano produces a smaller and lighter 504Wh option, which is also cheaper and helps to bring the complete bike price down see the sub-$8K Polygon Mt Bromo N8 for example. You've been subscribed to our newsletter. Start with a full battery, select the Trail mode, and see how far you can go before you run out of juice. Instead, we recommend setting aside some time for a battery-drainer test ride, somewhere that is accessible and easy to ride out with a flat battery, in order to work out your maximum range you can get during typical riding conditions. Repair and maintenance of Bosch, Shimano, Yamaha and Brose eBike motors Repair and maintenance of eBike motors from the following manufacturers: Bosch Active Line, Bosch Active Line Plus, Bosch Cargo Line, Bosch Performance Line and Bosch Performance Line CX For more details on the full range of Bosch motors click here From what I get from the article, what would actually bother me more is how it kicks in from a standstill or trackstand. (7000km ridden so far). Bikes sent in for testing are usually carefully prepared by brands to pick up any assembly issues, and then are checked before testing by in-house mechanics or the testers themselves. While the increased power certainly grabs most of the headlines, we reckon its the compact form of the Shimano EP8 drive unit that offers the greatest advantage over its competitors. However, when coasting on rough terrain the unloaded system can exhibit a normal clicking sound that may be detectable to the rider. That rattle would drive me bonkers. This means its impossible to tell whether you have 21% or 49% battery remaining. As expected, the new Shimano EP8 motor gets a hefty boost in power, with a claimed maximum torque output of 85 Nm. The version I've been riding on was 17,8kg. Power delivery is immediately intuitive thanks to the new MasterMind firmware that Specialized developed specifically for the 2.2 motor, which reduces power spikes from rapid changes in crank speed and pedal pressure. Plus the prices will drop as the tech becomes cheaper and can be offered at lower prices. You can't call an e-bike rider lazy when they try to overtake you making this sound. As mentioned above, the Assistance Character bears the biggest influence on the motors on-trail feel, and dialling this down can make quite a big difference to the amount of range you can get from the battery. Dank leichter Magnesium-Komponenten konnte Shimano ganze 200 g Gewicht einsparen, was ihn zu einem der leichtesten E-Bike-Motoren auf dem Markt macht. A dinamo or recharging when braking or something That's what I'm still waiting for! - High quality display & controller On the trail the tone of the clack is a little deeper than the EP8 drive unit, but the cause is the same. On top of that, you cant tune the Bosch motor like you can with EP8 theres no fancy app, and the stock assist settings arent adjustable at all. Shimanos overarching advice is for consumers to only use Shimano-approved pedal cranks on its EP8 motors. It's also a very quiet motor when pedalling. I found this beauty as an example: The reviewer weighs 55kgs. Over the past six months of riding, the Shimano EP8 motor has really impressed us with just how much punch it delivers from such a lightweight and compact package. What's your experience on this? 2b - If threadlock patch is present, move on to step 3. "While we dont expect people to ride with their phone on their handlebars when mountain biking" - Buddy, you must not have seen many e-bike riders. Lapierre e-zesty. It's kinda frustrating. Meanwhile, e*thirteens response places the ball firmly in Shimanos court. - Range estimation is not reliable. I can concur with the range, it's not as good as I expected. - Low-drag performance The new motor, called EP8, is 10 percent smaller and is a lot lighter. If you are disabled and need a motor on your bike in order to ride, I understand. This reduced the tendency for the front wheel to lift on really steep tech climbs. IMO we're still in the pilot phase and have a lot of room for improvement. What a misstep by Shimano to join Bosch in its failure. - Numerous battery options, both from Shimano & 3rd parties I'm sure a dynamo can be integrated somehow with the hub rotations without causing a lot of drag. SHIMANO STEPS EP8 Left Switch Unit for Assist VIEW PRODUCT Cycle Computer SC-EM800 EP8 Cycle Computer VIEW PRODUCT SC-E5003 SHIMANO STEPS Cycle Computer with Assist Switch (SD300 port) VIEW PRODUCT Speed Sensor EW-SS302 Disc Brake Speed Sensor (SD300 type) VIEW PRODUCT EW-SS301 SHIMANO STEPS Disc Brake Speed Sensor for EW-SD300 VIEW PRODUCT The Shimano EP8 RS motor, the key to the experience. the rattle it because the sprag bearing that used to be used in most motors has been replaced by DT swiss style star ratchet drive rings. Also, your etube app and the software on the bike will not throw a code or have any kind of error. Make sense. there are no additional ports on the SC-E5003 to connect the switch with. SpecializEd # levo SL is a great benchmark Have had a Specialized Levo & sold it due to making weird noises, so yes other manufacturers have problems too, not saying that is easy to get good reliability with new technology, but my Shimano e-8000 motor has been more reliable even is very wet weather! All I could find is that bike manufacturers are to hold off selling the EP8 until Oct/Nov while they addresses some final issues. I think Shimano is taking these issues very seriously. Maybe in a next generation they can implement an optional solution analog to what we're already seeing f bicycle chains. Shimano has put its long-running Steps E8000 format to pastor and heralds in its EP8 motor unit for 2021. Der Shimano EP8 ist kleiner und leichter Nicht nur das Motorgehuse ist kleiner, auch das Innenleben des EP8 Motors. If thats the case for you, start at Level 5 and work your way down a notch at a time. Simply named by Specialized as the 2.2, the motor continues to offer 90Nm of peak torque, and externally it has the same mounting points and overall shape. Hopefully we will have a system with little weight penalty in a few years. oooof! The Pivot Shuttle, for example, employs a huge 726Wh battery made by a third party company called Darfon. Appreciate the level of detail in this article, good work. Dont be so lazy, put in the work and suffer a little bit! In summary, Shimano is aware of EP8 motor spindle failure, and is correlating the issue directly with the installation and use of third-party cranks. 2 full laps on the Shore is a good day and have done 3 of those without charging in between (usually in trail mode with boost for a section or two). Weve been living with the Shimano EP8 motor for six months now across three different bikes; the Merida eOne-Sixty, the Polygon Mt Bromo, and the Canyon Spectral:ON. The metallurgic analysis was conducted to discover root cause. Under this condition, with each ride the crack can expand, and this can result in a spindle breakage.. All e-Bike assist mode gets disabled during the downhill slopes. On my older gen Bosch motor with a 500wh battery I can get about 30 miles out of a battery charge if I only turbo up the steepest climbs and do the other bits in low/mid power settings (and I'm about 100kg's / 16 stone which sucks battery). No, but the best on the market IMO. Along with a new larger 630Wh battery option, plus updated hardware and software, Shimano certainly hasnt held back with its much-anticipated return fire on the highly competitive and fast-moving electric mountain bike market. is a broken record . Come join the discussion about bike parts, components, deals, performance, modifications, classifieds, trails, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! "- Only five power bars for charge level.". Chuckle. As to how the de-tuned EP8 motor performs? Wed much rather see battery life displayed as a percentage, and the option to customise the screen. "Unquestionably, Shimano has the cleanest and sleekest display integration on the market". Wowzers! Weve found the first two settings to be too weak for e-MTB use, though conversely the highest setting can feel a little too peaky for some riders. When youre descending down the trail, the volume and resonance are amplified. There is zero stickiness at the pedals that we could detect. IMO Shimano bikes are good,but they are 2 steps down compared to Specialized and Bosch. You can't imagine what kind of thought must have gone behind that response? Still, given the lengths that bike and drivetrain manufacturers have gone to stealthify mountain bikes over the past few years, we found the noisy EP8 motor to be infuriating during the first few rides just as we did with the Bosch Gen 4. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. But yeah, different people. The charge bars are a major issues though on the 8000, after a bit of use the battery becomes extremely unpredictable. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Also a big improvement over the prior motor is that the EP8 freewheels easily, so on flats or downhill you can blast away without motor resistance. The updated Trail mode is brilliant, and the option to fine-tune each assist mode is a welcome feature for achieving the desired feel while maximising range. You can hear the motor spinning and attempting to assist, but no power is delivered. Once again still want to know; is the BB replaceable on these units yet, or are they still landfill waiting to happen? Hitting those famous tracks day in, day out for eight years, he broke more bikes than he can remember. Some say it's unreliable with a high risk of getting bricked. The investigation has led e*thirteen to produce technical service bulletin 157 (TSB), published on its website on 14 October 2021. Since working for MBUK, Alexs focus has moved to bike tech. What would happen if a consumer noticed their axle was cracked in the way described on e*thirteens TSB? Their heckler had complete battery failure, the ship date for a new one is close to the motor ship date. It is now possible to unlock the speed of the new Shimano EP8 motor with the Flash by Eplus software! Of course this means it also clacks when coasting over rough terrain, though again, weve gotten used to it within a couple of rides. Too hot to handle even. @tomdesoals: Yeah, I get that now that bikes have become more silent anything new that makes noise can become annoying. I'm not an ebike hater - but (you knew it was coming) - I can't ever see myself being able to justify the expense of one and I wouldn't like to risk a second hand one. Durability and ease of maintenence is far more important than power in my world. Overall its a vastly neater execution compared to the likes of Bosch and Yamaha with their Kinder Surprise-style switch units. I chose this bike because it has the EP8 and from research, seems to be the most reliable platform out there, assuming it's as reliable as the E8000. Alex Evans is BikeRadars senior mountain bike technical editor. Don't take things too seriously just get out there and enjoy whatever you own and have FUN! Yes, we understand how and why spindle breakage may occur when some non-Shimano cranks are used with our DU-EP800 drive unit. The low profile EM800 display takes up minimal space next to the stem, featuring a crystal-clear screen with colour-coded graphics to easily identify which assist setting youre in. if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do, we charge it up to 11. You dont necessarily go further, but you will be riding and climbing faster. After downloading the free E-Tube Project app, youll need to turn the bike on and pair it with your smartphone. Going the right direction in weight reduction. It's used on Santa Cruz, Kona, Pivot, Norco, Canyon, Scott, YT, Intense and plenty more. For riders scoping out bigger rides than that, youll want to consider dialling down the Assistance Character to improve efficiency. Its worth noting that Bosch motor is only compatible with Bosch battery options though. Their heckler had complete battery failure, the ship date for a new one is close to the motor ship date. This occurs if the cap is not correctly tightened or the factory-fitted threadlock hasnt been adequately applied, and if the crank arms pinch bolts arent tightened to their correct torque. - Available on a wide-range of different e-MTBs, - Clacking noise can be annoying Have had my Norco Range LVT with the EP8 for a week and have noticed the noise, maybe once? And with brands such as Merida and Canyon making use of internal wiring through the handlebars, the whole arrangement is quite tidy. Animals and Pets Anime Art Cars and Motor Vehicles Crafts and DIY Culture, Race, and Ethnicity Ethics and Philosophy Fashion Food and Drink History Hobbies Law Learning and Education Military Movies Music Place Podcasts and Streamers Politics Programming Reading, Writing, and Literature Religion and Spirituality Science Tabletop Games . It also responds a fraction quicker at the pedals, and delivers more overrun power when ratcheting the pedals over technical features up a climb. Those Merida ebikes ride quite good too. Don't worry: "Every time you start your pitchfork, it resets into 'no stab' mode. But it is not anywhere near the same engine in everything else. My brain constantly struggles with whether 2 bars remaining means I have 21% or 59%I would prefer a continuous power bar or percent. That is not the case, but all cranks should be checked for proper tightness before riding, and initial installations procedures should be updated, reads TSB 156. Assistance Character This adjusts the motors support level, which is how easily the motor delivers its power based on your input. The Shimano EP8 RS of the Orbea Rise does not present physical differences concerning the EP8 that we can see mounted on other e-mtb's. Its dimensions and weight are the same. Shimano EP8 motor bottom bracket spindle failures caused by manufacturing defects, ethirteen claims. Its almost as if the battery drains faster in that final 20%. Same with brose 2.1 & their motor failures. I'd do way more on a big day. Now, would we like to see Shimano eliminate the noise altogether? This is part of our COMMENCAL Care program, we consider a warranty case should have no cost at all for any of our customers.. Furthermore, the range estimation is more accurate in our experience too. If you don't like e-bikes for whatever reason, you really have no business even commenting on this review. But even then it is still quieter than my saddle bag bouncing around. The Brose Mag S motor has been used in the Specialized Levo and Kenevo since 2018, though it was recently updated for the release of the new Levo. Shimano said August was the best. However, where the Bosch Gen 4 feels like a diesel engine at low RPMs, the sporty EP8 drive unit still prefers spinning at a higher cadence. Maximum Torque This allows you to limit the maximum torque, with 10 levels of adjustment from 20 Nm to 85 Nm. The EP8s smooth power delivery is mirrored by its exceptionally low drag something that is totally noticeable (or rathernot noticeable) around the 25km/h cutoff point. What is rattling? Shimanos answers to our questions are published below verbatim. I find the author of this article is overly picky. So when the new version is so much better Refinement is all relative. The new EP8 drive unit provides incredibly quiet assistance under pedal load. What this article says to me is that ebikes are no where never the level of refinement that I would require to give up a normal bike. And you're clearly not pedaling, just pure flow. Didn't think I'd ever see that. Weve ridden the latest Bosch Performance CX Gen 4 motor on a variety of e-MTBs, including the Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 and the Trek Rail. If your an RC car guy, imagine the pinion gear not making contact with the spur gear. The fact that the EP8 motor uses the same mounting points as the old E8000 motor means there are a few bikes out there that were anticipating will be updated with the new motor like the Norco Sight VLT and Range VLT. I can only hear any motor rattling when I am doing really gnarly rocky downhill. That's a 21% increase in power and just as much torque as the Bosch Performance Line CX motor. Along with the fault-free performance weve experienced so far, wed have no hesitation in recommending a bike built around Shimano EP8 this is a high quality and well-rounded e-MTB system. A dynamo and regenerative braking is the ONLY thing stopping from buying an e-bike? This is because the assistance drops off quite quickly when you stop pedalling, particularly compared to the Bosch motor, which continues to push on for just a fraction longer. When we see failures like this, it is incumbent on us to find the root cause and, if it is within our control, provide a resolution, reads e*thirteens statement. @tomdesoals: That excuse that Shimano put out by their customer service dept . You can display way more metrics on it too, and battery is usefully displayed as a percentage. Looks like Rocky(Dyname), Giant(Yamaha) and Specialized(Brose) are in for 2021 and Shimano and Bosch are out. And more power requires more juice. I don't know anyone that likes a bike that rattles in any way or form. If in doubt about such components, we recommend speaking to your bicycle manufacturer.. You can improve efficiency by limiting the maximum torque, though it is still possible to get maximum power out of the motor by pedalling at a higher cadence, so you wont necessarily get more range by limiting torque. - Tuning options are simple and effective However, the brand refutes a link between the preload caps undoing and any resulting damage to system components in TSB 156, and then goes on to affirm e*thirteen components are not the source of any failures in TSB 157. Absolutely. For a mechanic, mechanical noise is a no-no by the end of the ride Id be destroyed mentally! They must be under pressure to deliver units as this is at best rushed. Please, It appears you're using an old version of Internet Explorer which is, the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+, that achieves the most discreet integration, the MasterMind TCU display on the new Specialized Levo. I feel like I've been missing out on so much! Rattling noise, you've seen (or heard) any of the Semenuk RAW100 videos? That's worse to, because 20kg dead weight doesn't contribute like 20kg of normal, muscle-laden body mass. "but since I have to hit the small button repeatedly when my battery charge becomes critical on some rides". Recalled but still was delivered with the rattle. The belt-driven design is also a touch quieter when pedalling, and theres no clacking noise either. One note on range Shimanos range estimation is not reliable. I had this happen on my Orbea Rise but with different circumstances. Along with the svelte carbon frame, that helps to reduce the total bike weight to as low as 16.2kg, creating a potentially worthy adversary to the Specialized Levo SL. It's like a dirt bike with a 15 mile range. We like to setup Profile 1 with softer settings for maximum range when riding solo, and Profile 2 with the punchier factory settings for faster e-MTB group rides. They need to get their old skunk works team back together and gain real world feedback before promoting vaporware. The cheapest Specialized Levo is the Expert model, which sells for just shy of $16K. This adjustment has the biggest impact on the motors performance and your total range. The issue, we've been told, is that the motor body is subject to cracking when the drive is employed as a stressed part of the bike's frame. - Strong but very well-tuned power delivery A bike that weighs almost half as much as the rider. Some claim it's a dangerous motor that suffers spindle failures. Easy fix. Shimano tried to take the Apple approach to antennaegateyou're holding your phone wrongyou're coasting your bike wrong. When new the last bar of charge corresponds to roughly 15-20% charge, but over time this becomes 5-10%. Sources at numerous ebike suppliers have told Cycle Volta this week that releases of new EP8-equipped electric mountain bikes are being held up, on Shimano's direction. This means its impossible to tell whether you have 21% or 39% battery remaining. As of April 2021, all of Commencals EP8-equipped bikes have been specced with Shimano cranks, but this change has taken some time to filter through to consumers because of the time it takes for fully built bikes to get to the shop floor. The MasterMind TCU head unit on the top tube is also as good as it gets, with a sharp and clear, but unobtrusive display that reduces clutter on the handlebars. That said, wed prefer if there were more metrics displayed on the main screen to begin with, so you could ditch the GPS altogether. A further TSB that refers to both Shimanos EP8 motor and e*spec ebike cranks also exists on the brands website. 2c - If preload cap has no threadlock patch pre applied: e*thirteen recommends inspecting Shimano EP8 motor spindles to ensure no cracks are present before riding any EP8 equipped bike again and in doing so have provided a step by step process for doing this with images and instructions below. The freewheel is still in the (regular) rear hub so when you're not pedaling, nothing in the motor-bottombracket assembly should be moving, isn't it? The cause is due to the difference in design from Shimanos crank, which causes increased stress around the spindle hole.. I have to admit some of the comments make me laugh out loud while others score some points for being helpful and based on fact, not hearsay fiction. Total power isnt quite as brutish as Bosch and Brose, but the real beauty about EP8 is that it retains the smooth and intuitive performance that we loved about the old motor. Can someone make a bike with 50% - 100% assist? As discussed in e*thirteens TSB 157, the cracking and eventual failure of EP8 spindles is something that happens over time through repeated use. Im the worlds biggest ebike fan & I quite agree. Thanks to lightweight magnesium components, Shimano has shaved off a cool 200g of weight making it one of the lightest electric bike motors on the market today. We need to go deeper. Just imagine if i had bought a Shitmano Ebike. Side-by-side, the EP8 motor is slimmer around the belly and so offers a skerrick more ground clearance. Great for climbing, on the descents the weight changes how I ride, not better or worse. That makes it tricky to work out how much assistance youll be finishing your ride with. Overall it is a very refined system though. 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