Submissions should outline a mystery and provide a link to a more detailed review of the case such as a Wiki article or news report. Nor do we have any evidence that the stepson was at the crime scene that day or participated in the crime in any way. I have a theory that the crime scene was already set up before the girls were placed there. "He also made it clear that the police investigation is still actively soliciting tips. Abigail Abby Williams, 13-years old, and her best friend Liberty Libby Rose Lynn German, 14-years old, went hiking near the Monon High Bridge, a part of the historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana on Monday, February 13, 2017. And yes, that may be the tie-in with KAK. Libby is regarded as a true hero for having the presence of mind to record her killer. DELPHI MURDERS: WHAT TO KNOW ABOUT THE 2017 KILLINGS OF LIBBY GERMAN AND ABBY WILLIAMS. It is possible that a WLFI-18 reporter spoke to someone in law enforcement before or after the press conference in order to ascertain this. But a hatchet blow sure would have. The person will describe the suspect based on those categories. Law enforcement has recovered DNA from the crime scene. DELPHI, Ind. . "I mean, is it a matter of police saying, 'hey, we're checking to make sure there are no other perpetrators and we're just going to tie up loose ends?'. Hello. Two different composite sketches and a grainy image of the murder suspect recovered from Libby German's cellphone. Delphi police and the prosecutor's office said a public court hearing will be set to determine if the documents, including the affidavit in the case, will remain under seal. Even after the arrest of a suspect on Oct. 26, police have declined to answer most questions about the case, saying they don't want to jeopardize the prosecution. The Witnesses - Let's get the story straight. "I guess that's kind of the new mission.". Abby Williams and Libby German went missing at the Monon High Bridge in Delphi on Feb. 13, 2017. Just a question. At every crime scene, you are going to have DNA. Legal Statement. The second statement was from an Indiana detective in another area, in this case Narcotics, who had seen crime scene photos and noted that both girls had been sexually violated with twigs, sticks, and small branches. It looks like he got it all wrong. Just curious why no one saw the girls but later we have 3 people saying they saw a guy (BG?) Police won't release anymore to protect the integrity of the investigation, but they've seen the video and likely won't be able to stop thinking about it. We now know who the FBI was looking into at first as a potential . . Do you have a link about that? It is not until ages 18-19 with the completion of the widening of the hips (Yes, girls bodies keep developing after 17) that a female is completely suited for pregnancy. Rockefeller Audio 2022. Cult member who helped to send Charles Manson to prison for life dead at 73. But this also why the Old BG sketch is no good. At the entrance of the trail? Thanks Remah! b) Cheyenne saw a suspicious guy while walking her dog. Allen has been charged with two counts of murder and is currently being held in a state facility without bond. Something's fishy I think. I only (saw) a guy when I first got there and another couple once I got on the bridge. I haven't been on in a awhile. German was your usual extrovert, with a dream of one day becoming a science teacher. There were definitely dolls at the site that day. "So when we check the phone records, the police call was about 5:20, -Becky Patty,Timestamp 29:00, Interview with Mike And Becky Patty by Gray Hughes, 7. Email me to find out. The Delphi Murder Tip Line was routed to the FBI's Major Case Contract Center in Washington, D.C because of the sheer number of calls they were receiving. Girls stay in the hard to knock up stage from ages 13-15. Source: April 22 2019 Press Conference, Timestamp5:48, [Note: originally it was said to be on February 14 2017, but it was later corrected by law enforcement to February 13th.]. He and I dont necessarily agree on anything, but he doesnt seem to care about that. Libby was murdered in 2017 alongside her best friend, Abby Williams Credit: YouTube. I think we expect more twists and turns and more unexpected developments who knows what lies ahead. This is what I was told by my own mother, so take it as you will. The judge ordered Allen held without bond and sealed the probable cause affidavit and charging documents. Liberty "Libby" German, 14 years old, and 13-year-old Abigail "Abby" Williams were both perfectly normal and sweet teenage girls. "It's anyone's guess at this point, but I think one of those two theories will have to be borne out by the trial because they'll need to have some sort of idea about whether or not they're going to bring charges elsewhere.". The sketch was drawn from an eye witness description of a man seen walking the trails the afternoon of the murders. It was a place known to be a hangout for young people. Critics claim we have all these LE sources but we dont. Turns out the brother of a team member is best friends with this high-ranking person. The previous sketch was a composite sketch and was "an artist's composite of the information" collected by all the agencies involved in the double-murder investigation, including the FBI, said Indiana State Police Sgt. Or a random person at the graveyard saw him. And this website wishes to honor that. And they yelled out the type of shoe that Libby was wearing. 923. ba. Undated. DELPHI, Ind. Two female members of the search party contacted team members separately with revelations about the crime. However, the Young BG sketch was the first sketch drawn in the case and was drawn off of eyewitness accounts. Richard Allen, a 50-year-old Delphi man, was arrested last month. The sketch released on Monday was drawn by Bryant on Feb. 17, 2017, a few days after the victims' bodies were found. I saw videos of the bridge and also videos of the trails, if witnesses are seeing other witnesses or even saw BG then isnt it strange that they didnt see Libby or Abby? I have a few, but they probably dont hold a candle to what you came up with. Why did we let them go out there? Hes not even a pedophile. LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) -- Court documents newly obtained by WDRB link a man in jail with social media accounts police are investigating in connection with the murders of two young girls in Delphi . We simply think that he ought to be investigated for possible involvement in the crime, unwitting or not. Where was this and again what time was this? ine and Kevin said they were touched when relayed Carrie's message of thanks, though added: "We don't see ourselves as anything other than two journalists who have participated in the case. Just forget about him. However it is easy to fake screenshots. I cant believe how any of these detectives do what they do. The other elements were are not sure they agreed on are: a giant plush toy animal, possibly a bear; a crucifix hung upside down; dolls hanging in trees; and a knife plunged into a log with one of the girls hands wrapped around it to make it appear she had stabbed the tree. So we have more evidence, albeit the third-hand source we have never talked to. There was also a 19 year old man who lived on the street who was said to be talking to Libby, so that might be the tie-in you are thinking of. Further, this rumor was first made after the wife of a detective working on the case posted online. Thanks for coming to the site. The police obviously know who theyre looking for. pm on February [13th] 2017. Timestamp 7:32Video of Indiana State Police Press conference, April 22 2019, 4. And by the way, you are banned, baby. I'm beyond annoyed, I'm surprised you can't see my eyes rolling through the computer. Richard Allen, 50, of Delphi, is facing two counts of murder. Anotherhaunting photowas posted by his wife onFacebookwhich shows the Indiana man smiling excitedly in front of what appears to be one of the two police composite sketches of the murder suspect. "Will this loop back around to another name that has come up in the past? Witness names, as well as the name of a Delphi detective were kept redacted. At the entrance of the trail? Logans home was just 1,400 feet from where Libby and Abbys bodies were found. As for McLeland's concern for the safety of the witnesses, Rozzi said, "I haven't heard, nor have I seen . Were seeking the publics help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS/DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the eastside of county road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to five pm on February [13th] 2017. Delphi murders investigation timeline:Review the case through 5 years of reporting. Though most have no idea of who Mr X is, it looks like you just said it in the replies. On February 22, 2017, Indiana State Police release audio taken from Libbys phone, presumably taken from the video she was taking. And they say the phone is now deadI saw the texts where they got delivered, but they never got read, [7]. Fear As a Freezing Agent, or Why Introverts Have Such Low Rates of Violence, Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, More Crazy (Obsessive and Conspiratorial) Antisemitism, This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, The Rules-Based Order the US Keeps Blabbing about, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. I also didnt take the trail that leads to the right. German's grandmother, Becky Patty, told FOX 59 that Allen was the CVS worker who processed her granddaughter's photos for her funeral. Possible Accomplice is at the lower level of suspect, and its not even known if he was ever at the crime scene that day. This case is like looking through a darkened window of a home, you can see what's going on in the living room but you have no idea what's happening in the kitchen. Police have released very little information on the cause of deaths. His wife, who The U.S. Sun is choosing not to name at this time, deleted her Facebook account in the aftermath of the news. Its simply a possibility, a theory. It was Child Protective services. I don't think it looks like BG. Click here to see the April 24 2019news bulletin referenced on the left. It turns out that the composite was fake in a sense. You should join the group if you can afford it. But is just recently coming forward with the information, which is how the released sketch came to be. Obviously none of this happened, but BG may have wanted to stage it to look like a murder-suicide as of a sick joke. ", "A Delphi, Indiana, police detective looks for evidence at the scene where the two girl's bodies where found. I think they love to hate you because you are that good! Much like ISP's investigation, The Murder Sheet's probe into the Delphi killings is also far from over. They have a toy drive every year for the kids. PLENTY more shocking twists and turns should be expected in the months ahead as the Delphi murders investigation remains active and ongoing, according to a duo of prolific true crime podcasters. (Indiana State Police). I always thought it was child protective services until last year. On Reddit someone said Gray Hughes got a huge tip in about a poi and he said that it had to be him and someone in the Reddit comments said that its only a few days until the person he thinks did it is arrested. She would also have had to stage herself as well as the other girl, lay out the smiley-face sheet, hang dolls in the trees and scatter them on the ground, and somehow place a giant plush toy at the scene,. Richard Allen's bail hearing has been set for Thursday, June 15 at 8:30 a.m. in Carroll County. "We caught wind that an arrest had been made a little bit earlier, but it was one of those things where it was a great tip, very credible, but we also weren't able to get it confirmed," said ine. I mean what if he approached the car after she dropped the girls off and she knew who he was and was polite and replied but didn't want to think it was him. "I think the media in these cases can play a very important role in informing the public and keeping people focused on the facts of the investigation as opposed to speculation, as well as keeping interest in the case going, and tips pouring in," explained ine. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Tietoja laitteestasi ja Internet-yhteydest (esimerkiksi IP-osoitteesi), Selaaminen ja hakutoiminnot Yahoon verkkosivustojen ja -sovellusten kytn aikana. . Note the more bulbous shape of the nasal tip not present in Figure A. [20]. I think much of it might be true. Journalist ine Cain and attorney Kevin Greenlee have been reporting on the 2017 double homicide of Libby German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, for almost two years on their smash-hit podcast The Murder Sheet. That's why I think you should be able to get a pardon from illegal activities if you help a murder case, getting the killer is so much more important than convicting someone for drugs. The bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were discovered the following afternoon, February 14, 2011 around noon near Deer Creek. Please keep thatin mind when discussing the physical evidence. . I do believe that the new developments in this case are pertinent and involve the early search on bicycle road in some way. All that is known publicly is the initial sight of the encounter (the south east end of the bridge) is not the same location as the body disposal sight. Whether law enforcement is sure the DNA they have is the definitively the offender's is unknown. Delphi, Indiana- In the early days and months of the Delphi Murder investigation information was developed about suspect descriptions. And it is easy it is to photograph a fake screenshot displayed on a phone. I think its likely the video/photos were found during the search of JBCs property and he led them to KAK. Good news about your new team members. "(It's) easier to do that than to describe (the suspect) using just words," Bryant said. Our private group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far and has been since it was founded four years ago in 2017. He could not figure out what it was. There are a number of childrens graves there, and there were dolls scattered around some of those graves. DELPHI, Ind. Yes, the detective is great! He finally broke down and told his wife about the girls being violated sexually by natural wooden objects from the forest. We have no idea who they may have in mind as the possible accomplice, however, the statement that the suspect is considerably younger than Mr. X adds weight to the notion that the Young BG sketch is based on a person who LE feels may have been accomplice to the crime that day. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. The detective had never heard of you? Indiana State Police also want to talk to anyone who was parked at. Gull set aside June 15 and June 16, if needed for a bail hearing for Allen. Whether this is reference to a vehicle parked near the CPS building or a generic request for witnesses is unknown. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Precisely what evidence police yielded to establish enough probable cause to make the arrest remains unclear: all documents related to the matter have been placed under seal for the time being. No one else has come close to uncovering the amount and quality of information we have. On August 14, 2017Indiana State PoliceFirst Sgt. Bullet found near 2 teen girls' bodies came from suspect and witness saw man wearing "muddy and bloody" clothes, affidavit says November 30, 2022 / 6:15 AM / CBS/AP Arrest made in murders of 2 girls Hence LE is refocusing onto the Young BG sketch, who looks like both the young man seen a the bridge that day and the catfish boy used to lure the girls. Williams was a little quieter but open with her friends and hoping to go into . During that time, the pair has been responsible for unearthing a number of crucial pieces of information in the case. And they yelled out the type of shoe that Libby was wearing. Do they charge or do they just do it for fun? There is a small fee of $20 to join, which includes lifetime membership. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. We can agree to disagree . An ejected .40-caliber shell found . Archived post. He said there were so many dolls that it looked like he had gone to the Goodwill and bought up a bunch of dolls. There is no good composite of the main suspect because no one saw BG with his face fully revealed. The sketch released on April 22ndis representative of the face of the person captured in the video on Liberty Germans cell phone as he was walking on the high bridge. At 17, he was the right age for a 19 year old Catfish Boy. You need a huge knife to saw someones head off almost a sword you can watch any of the beheading videos out there to be sure. The suspect, who has no criminal record, worked as a pharmacy technician at the local CVS in Delphi a town that numbers about 3,000 people. ", CVS customer Betty Cummings told the Indy Star, "He just blended right in. A team discovered the bodies of the girls in a wooded area near the trail, about a half-mile upstream from the bridge, New York Times article You Are Hiding in Plain Sight, 12. Do you feel that way as well? This is probably evolutionary as pregnancies in 13-15 year old girls are notorious for having complications for both the mother and the child. How about getting your moneys worth? And for that, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Privacy Policy. Anna on the podcast Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Episode: Live from CrimeCon: Little Abby & Libby's familiesTimestamp 14:25, 18. [8] At the time of the homicides, the bridge was still owned by CSX but was unofficially used by the community as a public trail. Therefore, after Mrs. X married Mr. X, they must have gone to court and had his name legally changed to Mr. Xs last name. The search on Bicycle Road might not mean much. are what led volunteers to the area the bodies were found. Now onto the match. Authorities announced Monday the arrest of Richard Allen, center, for the murders of Libby German, left, and her best friend, Abby Williams, in Feb. 2017. All arrows are in this map are abstract approximations and not intended to be taken literally. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. I'm wondering if they're afraid that trying to explain the generation of the sketch would make the community less confident so it's easiest to attribute it to a sudden appearance of a witness. One is a middle-aged woman in her 40s with kids who is otherwise completely normal, and the new one who has come forward is a different woman in her 30s. So the composite artist simply filled in what he thought the suspects face may have looked like based on the description of the top half of the face. [6], An article is published by WLFI which interviews Mike Patty who says The cellphone has been pinging around town and here there is a cellphone tower but the ping was last noted around five to six hours ago. The person in the sketch released April 22nd is described as having a youthful appearance, but could fall in the age range from his, Today, a new sketch of the suspect, appearing to be in his, We also believe that this person is from Delphi currently or has previously lived here, visits delphi at a regular basis or works here. The Monon Railroad was built through Carroll County from 1879 to 1881 and the first train went over the High Bridge in January of 1881. I wonder if the witness tossed the idea around of "what if I incriminate an innocent person"? ", A CVS spokesperson released a statement to Fox News Digital saying the company is "devastated by these murders" and "shocked and saddened to learn that one our store employees was arrested as a suspect in these crimes.". Do you have their name? . Stepson X being involved in either of these two ways is simply a theory based on the resemblance to the sketch, we are not accusing this young man of anything, and we request that everyone absolutely leave him alone. The last communication from the girls was around 2:07 p.n. On another thread on the sub for the case someone said one of the girls uncles or something is dating this guy JDD's (who really resembles him) sister so maybe he would know the girl. The suspect is seen walking across the bridge in blue jeans and a jacket. "While sometimes it's been painful, I am grateful for you all.". New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. This young lady is a hero, theres no doubt, t, activate that video system on her cellphone. August 26, 2017 I have a notebook with a lot of information I thought was important. He posted them to his flickr and facebook. "The bridge has been used as a backdrop for photo shoots like senior pictures, wedding photos, or to simply capture the beauty of the untouched nature that surrounds it." Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. (JBC and others unknown). He has the same first name and last name as Mr. X. DELPHI MURDERS: WITNESS TIMELINE (MINDSHOCK TRUE CRIME PODCAST)Examining the witnesses around the Monon High Bridge and the trail. The new trial date will be set during the June bail hearing. After searching, All rights reserved. yup, plus it's popping up just as interest in the case is potentially waning, adding a fresh boost to it. Join the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! I didnt see the girls at all. That is exactly what he said. On April 22, 2019 a sketch of the person who the Indiana State Police believe attacked Libby and Abby was released during a press conference detailing "a new direction" the investigation was taking. Members of the Delphi community should reflect back on people they know in the community that look similar to the sketch released on April 22nd, especially if that person has changed their appearance since the murders occurred in February of 2017. He is described as a white male between 5 feet 6 inchesand 5 feet 10 inches tall, weighing between 180and 220 poundswith reddish-brown hair. DELPHI More than two years after Liberty German and Abigail Williams were found murdered, Indiana State Police are releasing new evidence to help find their killer. And so the other sketch was somebody saw, in the area, and was suspicious about. On April 22, 2019 law enforcement released about one second of video of which the previous stills had been taken from. There may well have been a giant stuffed bear at the scene that day. Is it possible that the doll or stuff toy came from the old welfare building or CPS building that was torn down? The Indiana State Police superintendent explains the reason for the different sketches. Footprints can casted and molded by forensic teams. All the best, Sarah, Your email address will not be published. Taking into consideration Indiana State Police's statement that the old and new sketch are "not the same person" it stands to reason that this description no longer applies. After over five years, a man has been charged with murder in the deaths of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. The vehicle (unknown make or model) was parked at an old CPD/DCS building in Delphi. A complication of this investigation is that because the trail area was being used as if it was a public space the evidence collected could easily be unrelated to the case. Suspect allegedly linked to Delphi murders reportedly in custody. Stepson X is Mrs. Xs child by a previous marriage and may have been adopted by Mr. X. Why not join the 240+ members who have already signed up for the best Delphi sleuthing team of all? Also, we have not yet confirmed that there was more than one killer involved in this crime, but see below for more on that. . by Pentagon Pedophile Task Force on June 26, 2021 at 9:37 P.M. One possible twist may lie in the arrest of additional suspects in the weeks and months ahead. Holeman tells us investigators have more audio from Libbys phone, which was found with the girls at the crime scene. However, his middle name is different. Also this rumor has been somewhat backed up by a third LE sources close to the investigation, who said both girls had been violated with foreign objects. Now we have three references to this statement, all from the police themselves. Offender 's is unknown the April 24 2019news bulletin referenced delphi murders witness the case and was drawn off of eyewitness.! 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